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Farzad 
July 13, 2023

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You know after Russia claiming that the 3 islands of tombs and Abu Moosa belongs to Emirates, all chapi and lefties went to soorakh moosh without condemning the Russians. 

Amrika Setiz people also did not condemn what Russia did yesterday. They won’t even if you twist their arm.


Farzad 
July 13, 2023

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Well put Shahin.  I think once we shift our focus from shallow way of thinking associated with rumors, akse EmAm, and daei jan napelon mentality of thinking to actually documented sequence of events researched by credible movvarekhin like Abbas Milani, Touraj Atabaki, or  Amir Taheri the reality becomes clear.  


I learned so much about 28 mordad actually. And even calling it a coup was wrong. Mossadegh made one major mistake and did a miscalculation with a heavy price. Below is a summary of it.

کودتا در عرف علوم سیاسی به معنای به دست آوردن قدرت به صورت غیرقانونی از طریق قوای نظامی است.

برای فهم حقیقت یا غیرواقعی بودن کودتا باید بررسی کرد که آیا بر اساس قانون اساسی مشروطه، رفتارهای دولت در برخورد با دکتر مصدق کودتا بوده است یا خیر؟ در قانون اساسی مشروطه، عزل و نصب نخست وزیر از اختیارات شاه محسوب می شد. به مرور عرف و رویه، یک قید به این اختیار وارد شد و پیش شرط این اختیار«رأی تمایل مجلس» در نظر گرفته شد. بنابراین شاه شخصی را به نخست وزیری منصوب نمی کرد، آن کسی که مجلس به وی به عنوان نخست وزیر رأی تمایل داده بود. این قید منوط به وجود مجلس بود. اما اگر مجلس به هر علتی وجود نداشت، اختیار شاه بدون نیاز به رأی تمایل مجلس اعمال می شد.

در دولت مصدق عملا مجلسی که قرار بود با ۱۳۶ نماینده به تقنین بپردازد، با ۷۹ نماینده به کار خود ادامه داد که در میان این ۷۹ نماینده اکثریت از طرفداران دکتر مصدق بودند که این اکثریت ۵۲ نفری در روزهای آخرتیرماه ۱۳۳۲ از نمایندگی مجلس استعفا دادند تا مسیر برگزاری رفراندوم انحلال مجلس تسهیل شود. به هر دلیلی با هر توجیهی دکتر مصدق در بیست ودوم تیرماه ۱۳۳۲ زمان بندی خود را برای برگزاری انتخابات در دوازدهم مرداد در تهران و در نوزدهم مرداد در شهرستان ها اعلام کرد. 

انتخابات برگزار شد و نتیجه انتخابات روز بیست و دوم مرداد ۱۳۳۲ از رادیو ایران پخش شد. با انحلال مجلس دیگر دست محمد رضا پهلوی جهت عزل مصدق با منع قانونی مواجه نبود. این بزرگ‌ترین اشتباه مصدق بود.

دستور عزل مصدق از طرف  محمدرضا پهلوی در ۲۳ مرداد ابلاغ شد و در ۲۴ مرداد به دکتر مصدق اعلام شد. اتفاقا دکتر مصدق در جلسات دادگاه بر این نکته تأکید می کند که دست خط رسید و وی در برابر دستور عزل تمکین (قبول) کرده.

بنابراین دیگر ایشان بعد از ۲۵ مرداد هیچ منصب قانونی در کشور دارا نبود تا علیه آن کسی کودتا یا وی را از شغلی با قدرت نظامی برکنار کند.

Now, come and try explaining these documented facts to those who are stuck with other beliefs. 


Shahin 
July 12, 2023

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US lost to Panama on PK and are out of Gold Cup. This was really a C team and came up short


Akbar 
July 12, 2023

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کوکا  این جهوده  یه  جاش  سوخته  
پماد  لازمه
[biggrin]

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWxkG-mkp0o&ab_channel=%DA%A9%D8%A7%D9%88%D8%B4%D9%85%D8%AF%DB%8C%D8%A7Kavoshmedia[/video]


Farzad 
July 12, 2023

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ولد زنا
https://youtu.be/uYLWUzzZ8kE


Farzad 
July 12, 2023

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This report is hilarious. After burning a Quran last week, some guy asked Swedish authorities for a permit to burn a book. They asked him which one. He said I have 3 books. Bible Quran and Torah but I have not decided which book to burn yet 😀😀😀😀
 
 


Farzad 
July 12, 2023

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گله ای، هجومی٫ حمله ای، هیئتی
https://youtu.be/P1yJ0IRENQE


Shahin 
July 12, 2023

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I have little doubt that without 28 Mordad, we would have become Soviet proxies. Toodeh was taking us there. Now during Enghelab, I do not think that was the case and we were not going that way but America mis-calculated and did not want to risk it, thus was willing to tolerate Khomeini. But no question that the whole 28 Mordad episode left a bad taste in everyone's mouth. People still believed Mossadegh was done wrong


Zinsky  
July 12, 2023

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Bardia,
What about Iran/Iraq war? D or R?
How about Iraq and Afghanistan wars? No real difference between D&R when it comes to international politics.


Zinsky 
July 12, 2023

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Agreed. I remember many students studying in America were against Shah. I am not sure if they were lefties or socialists but anti dictatorship. Many others were complaining that Iran is not like America (freedom, good roads/train/planes, better this, better that). And of course, the religious people who couldn't handle the miniskirts and alcohol everywhere. Mulas hated shah and his father, specially, for taking away their power over people and government decisions. 

With all said, the west needed a change in Iran (for one reason or another) and started the fire and let the people burn the whole country down.


Farzad 
July 12, 2023

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Many reasons!!!
The main was many roshanfekrs were not happy under the shah. Of course Roshanfekr was defined as someone who was against America and the west, Left oriented, studied Marx and other socialist ideas, some pro Russia and China, and the ultimate, pro hezb toudeh. Those were our roshanfekrs.
I was never introduced to a roshanfekr who was pro western values, pro modernization, and economically genius. Although they always appreciated and used the evil's modern gadgets.


Zinsky  
July 12, 2023

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You know better than that, accept it or not.
The west doesn’t have to do all the work. There are always people who are unhappy. Don’t get me wrong, there were many reasons to be unhappy under shah. He wasn’t best for all.
The west (or east, for that matter) just need to ignite the fire. Small push and let the rest do the job. It’s been done and revealed in many countries.


Farzad 
July 12, 2023

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So US and West were the reason and politically nafahm, imaginary Roshanfekrs, and namak nashnas people had nothing to do with it. I don't think CIA painted Khomeini's face on the moon. And then on top of it people were awed "wow".... majority actually saw it....including roshanfekrs.


Fat&Dumb 
July 12, 2023

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I agree 100% with the previous two statements.


Bardia  
July 12, 2023

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It sure looks like every time the US has Democrats  in the office we get screwed. I think the world gets screwed. They support different style of dictators that the Republicans do!
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