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Comments: I know what you mean. Everything is done internationally for the benefit of America. And as you mentioned even the 3.8 billion aid to Israel. yes Israel benefits from that but our benefit could be folds higher. But I don’t think GWB and the gang achieved that. That war benefited special interests but not US as a nation. It cost the tax payers trillions of dollars.
Comments: Farzad: The issue is that the woke democrats (SF democrats) are also anti neocon liberals. That is why I think what you are advocating will lead to Trump.
Comments: No, complaining about woke and too much liberalism in today’s Democratic Party does not mean let’s go to the other side and let’s become anti abortion and anti immigration. All they are asking is let’s not get too carried away and let’s not get ridiculous. You do need varying views in your party for progressing. That exists both in Democratic and Republican Party. that’s a norm. The Hawkish democrats of then were itching for interventions and war at the time the party became against it.
Comments: Maybe this will help folks here to be more forgiving towards RFK Jr. Thus is what he said about trump before 2016 election.
Comments: Never mind! We could go round and round for days trying to figure out who said what. My point is simple and no one needs to agree with me. Neoconservatives were bunch of democrats like the ones who are around these days complaining about woke and too much liberalism in today’s Democratic Party. They pushed too much and realized they are not going change democratic principles so they moved towards republicans. Now they are just war loving groups who don’t need either D or R.
Comments: Domestic policies are what wins elections. The changes you mentioned when democrats got blacks to change votes was all about domestic policies. The foreign policy should ultimately support what you trying to achieve domestically. It’s always about that
Comments: Shahin but in terms of your focus being on domestic stuff I totally understand. If we could have two presidents. One for domestic policy and one for foreign policy you would have been totally ok with an Obama / GWB combo. As long as Obama was president of domestic policy. With Biden you are getting both in one package 😀
Comments: Yes the so called "Hawkish Democrats" who were pissed at the party in the 60s, transitioned to Republican Party and nested and continued their activities there (essentially became Part of Republican Party) and influenced / lobbied Republican admins. But it peaked full blown as part of GWB admin. So no. No Democratic value matches those of the neocons. True Democratic values promotes peace and diplomacy not war or militarism. Neoconservatism is contrary to Democratic beliefs.
Comments: Maybe I’m reading this wrong! “ Farzad 9 hours ago Comments: Ok let’s get the facts straight. Let’s not just throw something in the air hoping it sticks somewhere. Neoconservatives are Republicans as oppose to Conservative Republicans. Neoconservatism is a branch within the Republican party. On the other side calling a Democrat a neoconservative is an insult. They don’t want to be called that. It is like Islamic Marxists. Such thing does not exist. There are Democrats with Neocon views and ambitions like Biden, H Clinton, Jake Sullivan or Blinken. At best they want to be known as Hawkish Democrats.”
Comments: Shahin, You don’t catch my point. It is about the dangerous power of the Neocon Republicans. They hijacked the democratic Party. The foreign policy is so huge whether you like it or not whether you agree or not. US‘s top priority is international dominance. No ifs and buts about it. Be it during Bushes, Clinton, Obama, Trump, or Biden. That never changes. We all accept that and as a citizen of this great country why not. Every president and admin is cognizant of it. The issue is that these Neoconservative Republicans want to hold on to their power and the special interests so bad, that they are now doing all kinds of wrong doings with censoring and doing character assassination of any threat. That is what Republicans used to do. From RFK assassination to the Watergate. Establishment candidates like Christie or De Santis or Pence or Marianne Williamson, they don’t talk about NeoCons and therefore they are left alone. You can’t be campaigning for Obama, Kerry, and Al Gore and then be labeled by your own party members with terms like “antisemitic or Hitler” You can’t be advocate of safe vaccine products and then be labeled by your own party members an “antivaxxer” Trust me you don’t want this incompetent puppet democratic admin to send justice to Supreme Court.
Comments: And if you are surprised that democrats started, you have to keep in mind that the democrats of the past in terms of political philosophy were the Republicans of now mostly. Starting in the 50’s that criss - cross transition kind of started with equality and civil right movements. Most of Black voters left the Republican Party and switched to Democrats as they saw the new Democratic Party promoting justice and equality. That is how big the transition was.
Comments: Zinsky, not sure what your question is. I mentioned who they are and how it all started. How is it different than google.
Comments: “Ok let’s get the facts straight. Let’s not just throw something in the air hoping it sticks somewhere.” My google could be wrong but it’s not any better/worse than anyone else’s!!! Once again, neoconservatives were bunch of democrats who went against liberal policies and values they found to be too far left!
Comments: “Ok let’s get the facts straight. Let’s not just throw something in the air hoping it sticks somewhere.” My google could be wrong but it’s not any better/worse than anyone else’s!!! Once again, neoconservatives were bunch of democrats who went against liberal policies and values they found to be too far left!
Comments: I don't think Biden is an all out Neocon. He is pragmatic but he does make mistakes. I also think he has learned from Iraq's fiasco. He is now not much different than Obama & Bill Clinton. They choose war on a case by case basis. Clinton went into Kosovo and Obama went into Libya. Obama did not go to Iran and so far Biden is avoiding that as well. Trump may go into a war if he becomes president. I do not see this as black and white as you do. In addition domestic policies matter a lot to me and I do not want to see Republicans choose more justices at Supreme court and federal level. You can come at me with a very strong language accusing me of loving murderers and criminals but it is not as black & white as you try to portrait me |
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