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Farzad 
July 29, 2023

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I know what you mean.  Everything is done internationally for the benefit of America. And as you mentioned even the 3.8 billion aid to Israel.  yes Israel benefits from that but our benefit could be folds higher.  

But I don’t think GWB and the gang achieved that. That war benefited special interests but not US as a nation.  It cost the tax payers trillions of dollars. 


Shahin 
July 29, 2023

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Farzad:
The issue is that the woke democrats (SF democrats) are also anti neocon liberals. That is why I think what you are advocating will lead to Trump.


Farzad 
July 29, 2023

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No, complaining about woke and too much liberalism in today’s Democratic Party does not mean let’s go to the other side and let’s become anti abortion and anti immigration.  All they are asking is let’s not get too carried away and let’s not get ridiculous. You do need varying views in your party for progressing.  That exists both in Democratic and Republican Party. that’s a norm. 

The Hawkish democrats of then were itching for interventions and war at the time the party became against it. 


Farzad 
July 29, 2023

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Maybe this will help folks here to be more forgiving towards RFK Jr. Thus is what he said about trump before 2016 election.  

I think Donald Trump is Dangerous, and he’s deceptive, and he’s a demagogue. I don’t think it should surprise anybody to see how well he’s doing, because that kind of demagoguery is formulaic, and it’s easy. There are buttons that you can push, of bigotry and xenophobia and prejudice and anger and self-interest and nationalism—false patriotism. Look at what happened in 1972: a large percentage of the people who supported my father in 1968, a very idealistic campaign, switched to support not George McGovern but George Wallace in 1972, and what that illustrates [is] that every person, like every nation, has a lighter side and a darker side. The easy thing is to appeal to bigotry and anger and fear; and it’s much more difficult to appeal to our lighter angels, to get us to transcend our narrow self-interest and see ourselves as part of the community and inspire people to make sacrifices and take risks in their own lives, to contribute to the welfare of our nation, and to look beyond the horizon and try to compel our country to live up to her ideals, her great ideals. It’s much easier to see America as a place where you come to make a big pile for yourself and whoever buys the most stuff wins. That we have to fight off people who don’t look like us, or who don’t love like us, or whatever—who are different. And I think those are the dark angles that Donald Trump appeals to, and I very much hope that his campaign of hatred dies on the vine. It’s not surprising, because those are the passions that the Republican Party has been stirring—those kind of hatreds in the service, of course, of other interests. And Trump is actually coming out and saying the stuff that they’ve been saying cryptically for all those years with dog-whistle slogans.


Zinsky  
July 29, 2023

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Never mind! We could go round and round for days trying to figure out who said what.
My point is simple and no one needs to agree with me.
Neoconservatives were bunch of democrats like the ones who are around these days complaining about woke and too much liberalism in today’s Democratic Party. They pushed too much and realized they are not going change democratic principles so they moved towards republicans. Now they are just war loving groups who don’t need either D or R.


Shahin 
July 29, 2023

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Domestic policies are what wins elections. The changes you mentioned when democrats got blacks to change votes was all about domestic policies. The foreign policy should ultimately support what you trying to achieve domestically. It’s always about that


Farzad 
July 29, 2023

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Shahin but in terms of your focus being on domestic stuff I totally understand.
If we could have two presidents. One for domestic policy and one for foreign policy you would have been totally ok with an Obama / GWB combo. As long as Obama was president of domestic policy.
With Biden you are getting both in one package 😀


Farzad 
July 29, 2023

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Yes the so called "Hawkish Democrats" who were pissed at the party in the 60s, transitioned to Republican Party and nested and continued their activities there (essentially became Part of Republican Party) and influenced / lobbied Republican admins. But it peaked full blown as part of GWB admin. So no. No Democratic value matches those of the neocons. True Democratic values promotes peace and diplomacy not war or militarism. Neoconservatism is contrary to Democratic beliefs.


Zinsky  
July 29, 2023

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Maybe I’m reading this wrong!
Farzad        
9 hours ago
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Ok let’s get the facts straight. Let’s not just throw something in the air hoping it sticks somewhere.
Neoconservatives are Republicans as oppose to Conservative Republicans. Neoconservatism is a branch within the Republican party. On the other side calling a Democrat a neoconservative is an insult. They don’t want to be called that. It is like Islamic Marxists. Such thing does not exist. There are Democrats with Neocon views and ambitions like Biden, H Clinton, Jake Sullivan or Blinken. At best they want to be known as Hawkish Democrats.”


Farzad 
July 29, 2023

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Shahin, You don’t catch my point. It is about the dangerous power of the Neocon Republicans. They hijacked the democratic Party. The foreign policy is so huge whether you like it or not whether you agree or not. US‘s top priority is international dominance. No ifs and buts about it. Be it during Bushes, Clinton, Obama, Trump, or Biden.  That never changes.  We all accept that and as a citizen of this great country why not. Every president and admin is cognizant of it.

The issue is that these Neoconservative Republicans want to hold on to their power and the special interests so bad, that they are now doing all kinds of wrong doings with censoring and doing character assassination of any threat.  That is what Republicans used to do.   From RFK assassination to the Watergate.  

Elimination of Trump or JFK jr is not about the Democratic values you advocate, it is about sustaining the power of the NeoCons, as they are the only voices out there who counter the Republican NeoCons.

Establishment candidates like Christie or De Santis or Pence or Marianne Williamson, they don’t talk about NeoCons and therefore they are left alone. 

That is why RFK jr is being eliminated at any cost.  They are throwing a Democrat comrade of yours who bears every single democratic values you do, under the bus right in front of your eyes. So that they can stay in power   and continue wars and militarism. The GWB version of US Domination. US (Biden) is in a war. Who are we kidding. And we instigated it. 

You can’t be fighting 35 years for environment be named Time Magazine’s “Heroes for Planet” , and then be labeled “Dangerous” by your own party members. 

You can’t be campaigning for Obama, Kerry, and Al Gore and then be labeled by your own party members with terms like “antisemitic or Hitler”

You can’t be advocate of safe vaccine products and then be labeled by your own party members an “antivaxxer”

You can’t be calling Trump a “Dangerous and deceptive”, and then Democrat, your own party members associate you with “Trump.”

It is a very dangerous time for the whole globe out there with NeoCons in charge. That is my point. 

Trust me you don’t want this incompetent puppet democratic admin to send justice to Supreme Court. 


Farzad 
July 29, 2023

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And if you are surprised that democrats started, you have to keep in mind that the democrats of the past in terms of political philosophy were the Republicans of now mostly. Starting in the 50’s that criss - cross transition kind of started with equality and civil right movements. 
Most of Black voters left the Republican Party and switched to Democrats as they saw the new Democratic Party promoting justice and equality. That is how big the transition was. 


Farzad 
July 29, 2023

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Zinsky, not sure what your question is.  I mentioned who they are and how it all started. How is it different than google. 

 

Farzad 
July 22

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No Zinsky. Not quite. Neoconservatism is more of an ideology or movement. First started in 60s when the so called "liberal Hawks" became disappointed and fed up with the soft foreign policy of the Democratic Party and with the growing Left during Vietnam war.
 
Neoconservatives agenda and philosophy supposedly promotion of democracy and interventionism globally. Just like how they promoted democracy in Iraq and Afghanistan. 
 
These Neoconservatives became political think thanks in the Republican presidential administrations of since Nixon, peaking in influence during the administration of GWB, when they played a major role in promoting and planning the 2003 invasion of Iraq. And now infested in Biden administration. Them being in this administration there are no arguments about it, but all of a sudden they became nice guys and liberal that's a different story. It is like 4 years from now Shahin claiming that circumstances changed and Trump has now changed and he is a very nice and liberal guy. 😂😀
 
Essentially neoconservatives are described as foreign policy makers and war hawks who support aggressive militarism.
 
It is a doctrine / movement / ideology of some sort.


Zinsky  
July 29, 2023

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“Ok let’s get the facts straight. Let’s not just throw something in the air hoping it sticks somewhere.”
My google could be wrong but it’s not any better/worse than anyone else’s!!!
Once again, neoconservatives were bunch of democrats who went against liberal policies and values they found to be too far left!


Zinsky  
July 29, 2023

Comments:
“Ok let’s get the facts straight. Let’s not just throw something in the air hoping it sticks somewhere.”
My google could be wrong but it’s not any better/worse than anyone else’s!!!
Once again, neoconservatives were bunch of democrats who went against liberal policies and values they found to be too far left!


Shahin 
July 29, 2023

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I don't think Biden is an all out Neocon. He is pragmatic but he does make mistakes. I also think he has learned from Iraq's fiasco. He is now not much different than Obama & Bill Clinton. They choose war on a case by case basis. Clinton went into Kosovo and Obama went into Libya. Obama did not go to Iran and so far Biden is avoiding that as well. Trump may go into a war if he becomes president. I do not see this as black and white as you do. In addition domestic policies matter a lot to me and I do not want to see Republicans choose more justices at Supreme court and federal level. You can come at me with a very strong language accusing me of loving murderers and criminals but it is not as black & white as you try to portrait me
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