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Comments: What a beautiful set up by Barcelona. Amazing execution.
Comments: El Classico now just started ESPN+ from Dallas, Texas.
Comments: kAmkAr, I don’t think so. He was different and fresh. Being black was a bonus but not enough to get anyone elected.
Comments: https://youtu.be/BjZE5z4t8wE
Comments: Zinsky, hope I don't come across as someone who's speaking purely based on emotions about Obama. I feel that he won and was appointed to the office mostly because he was black. That's not to say that he was not smart. He was well spoken and a strong speaker. In my book he was just like all other presidents nothing but a talking head (spokesperson if you will) to the system and the establishment. Some even considered him to be an uncle Tom. My bottom line is that we should not invest our time and emotions in any prostitute politicians. I've learned to kick back and enjoy watching the shit show during the selections. But I have to admit that with all it's shortcomings, the system has created a great and free place to live. My country of birth did not allow me to have Kurdish names for my sons. This country for most parts celebrates the diversity.
Comments: I still believe he has no chance. There is no way these thugs will allow that. They assassinate him if they have. He is actually concerned about his life. That is why he asked for secret service protection. He does believe the establishment killed his father and his uncle. Anyways again him winning the primary is not going to happen even though his decision to run for the 2024 Democratic presidential nomination is supported by over 30 percent of voters who backed Joe Biden in the 2020 election.
Comments: RFK Jr has been an environmentalist and fighting those against climate change for 35 years. He has advocated for the protection of waterways, indigenous rights, and renewable energy. Again credible enough that Obama tapped him to be administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency. RFK Jr also endorsed and campaigned for Vice President Al Gore during his 2000 presidential campaign, he also endorsed John Kerry, noting his strong environmental record, and he also campaigned for Obama. Did you really not know these facts? and now you take the bait just because Wasserman called him a Hitler and antisemitic?. You call him the same thing? And now from campaigning for Obama Gore and Kerry he is a right wing now? That easy? Are you telling me that Al Gore, Kerry and Obama were that far off on their judgments?. I don't think so. They were all very smart and great people and very balanced. But now whatever Wasserman say, let's take the bait and run with it? These are the people who care about America. They do not have strong prejudice in favor of the party. When they see their party going right wing they call on it. So who changed here? Did RFK changed in the values he believe or is it the Democratic Party that changed? Anyways your unconditional support of the party is commendable. You should actually be more active with DNC specially during the retirement. I am not kidding. Your allegiance to the party is commendable.
Comments: Shahin. No. There are many good democrats who are balanced and operate both domestic and foreign policies in a balanced manner. Bill Clinton and Obama are great examples of those. It was the right wing neocons who plotted the Monica thing against Bill Clinton in his 2nd term and smeared him and forced their way into the Whitehouse after his 8 years. Yes the presidents execute to the strategic continuity as you alluded to. And as you and I agree their tactics are different. That is why Obama kicked theses mother fuckers out and his way of continuity was through for example Arab Springs and all. Even when he drew a red line for Assad and Assad crossed it he did not do much of escalation through all out war. I used to be just like you. Black and white. I used to blindly vote for all the propositions or people who had Democratic Party support. Foreign policy is 80% of the job of the US president. That is why they are called world leader. I am actually surprised that a liberal like you from SF is now ok with these warmonger Neocons. Neocons are the right of the right wing but now just because they are in bed with Democrats you support them. But I still hesitate to label you or accuse you as someone who is coming across as an ultra right wing person. These people should be in Hague and be prosecuted for what they did to humanity and also be prosecuted domestically for lying to the people of the United States. Neocons and Liberals are mutually exclusive. And I just do not understand as a liberal your unconditional support of these warmongers all of a sudden. Your affinity is with the Democratic Party. As longs as anyone aligned with that party they have your full support. Anyone says otherwise is a right wing or they all elements of Russian propaganda.
Comments: More googling!!! During the late 1960s up until the 1970s, neoconservatives were worried about the Cold War and that its liberalism was turning into radicalism, thus many neoconservatives including Irving Kristol, Norman Podhoretz and Daniel Patrick Moynihan wanted Democrats to continue on a strong anti-communist foreign policy.[12] This foreign policy was to use Soviet human rights violations to attack the Soviet Union.[12] This later led to Nixon's policies called détente.[12] In 1973, Michael Harrington coined the term, "neo-conservatism", to describe those liberal intellectuals and political philosophers who were disaffected with the political and cultural attitudes dominating the Democratic Party and were moving toward a new form of conservatism.[13] Intended by Harrington as a pejorative term, it was accepted by Kristol as an apt description of the ideas and policies exemplified by The Public Interest. Unlike liberals, for example, neo-conservatives rejected most of the Great Society programs sponsored by Lyndon B. Johnson and, unlike traditional conservatives, they supported the more limited welfare state instituted by Franklin D. Roosevelt.
Comments: kAmkAr khan, The older I get, the more I realize what I don’t know. I’m doing what I can to learn anything that my brain can handle. It’s not much room left!!! Politics is a painful and tricky subject. Unfortunately, it’s not easy to keep the emotions and the facts separated. In America it has become the choice between bad and worse. I have been voting for nearly 35 years in this country and Obama probably was the only one that I voted with full confidence. The rest were just better than the alternative…
Comments: WTF do I know. I just google things and cut and paste it to give my point across… Many early neoconservative political figures were disillusioned Democratic politicians and intellectuals Neoconservatism is a political movement that began in the United States during the 1960s among liberal hawks who became disenchanted with the increasingly pacifist foreign policy of the Democratic Party and with the growing New Left and counterculture of the 1960s, particularly the Vietnam protests. Some also began to question their liberal beliefs regarding domestic policies such as the Great Society. Neoconservatives typically advocate the promotion of democracy and interventionism in international affairs, including peace through strength, and are known for espousing disdain for communism and political radicalism. Neoconservatism ... originated in the 1970s as a movement of anti-Soviet liberals and social democrats in the tradition of Truman, Kennedy, Johnson, Humphrey and Henry ('Scoop') Jackson, many of whom preferred to call themselves 'paleoliberals.' [After the end of the Cold War] ... many 'paleoliberals' drifted back to the Democratic center ... Today's neocons are a shrunken remnant of the original broad neocon coalition. Nevertheless, the origins of their ideology on the left are still apparent. The fact that most of the younger neocons were never on the left is irrelevant; they are the intellectual (and, in the case of William Kristol and John Podhoretz, the literal) heirs of older ex-leftists.
Comments: Farzad: I will discuss with you when I see you because it needs a bit of live back and fort. But in a nutshell to be a democrat and have your point of view, you need to be aligned with the socialist wing or what I call San Francisco Democrats. That is the kind of candidates you have to vote for. That is your non-neocon wing of democratic party. But you also hate their socialist agenda and said it yourself the other day. So that is why behind keyboard you seem to align with the extreme wing of Republicans which today is Trump and Desantis and not their neocon group. That is why a candidate like RFK Jr is interesting to you. He says he is democrat, he talks shit about both SF democrats and neocon democrats and the only thing he can do is make them lose thus have Trump/DeSantis win
Comments: "The strange thing is you keep talking about Republicans (Republicans will love it or use him as a tool) but somehow forget that “Lincoln Project” and the “Neoconservatives” who are in bed with Biden are republicans but somehow you no longer count them. Strange time. Reminds me when Bolton the warmonger got fired by Trump, he started bad mouthing Trump, and democrats were supporting and praising Bolton. ![[rolleyes]](https://cdn.websitetoolbox.com/images/boards/smilies/rolleyes.gif "Roll Eyes - :rolleyes:") "No question democrats are using these groups and Bolton. But if the current Republican party is elected with either Trump or DeSantis, there will be more book banning, homophobic and anti women policies enacted I do not want that. I think you see foreign policy as the main issue and myself and most of democrats (and a group of Republicans mostly women) see domestic policies as main issue
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Get to know the dangerous Neocons.
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“We can go on complaining that this candidate is more aligned with Neoconservatives than the other one but that is a wrong way to look at it.” Now to your 2nd pint. “Elected officials are not allowed to move outside the political system”. This I 100% agree. And that is why from day 1 of Trump admin, activities to oust him started. Because he was outside of this political system and did not want to play the game. And the system threw the kitchen sink at it to make sure he is out. And we are still seeing the effort by them to make sure he does not come back. They are doing the same with RFK jr, because he is not going to play the game. And that is the exact reason they are now labeling him a Hitler and antisemitic. This is the way to do it. Because many simple minds easily buy it. As I always said, Trump was an anomaly, a phenomena in the US political system and he was not supposed to become the president as seen in the video below. At the end, I think you guys are all good democrats with the right intent. That I am certain. The only problem is that you guys are barking at the wrong tree. |
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