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Shahin 
Aug 11, 2023

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Zinsky means well. It is an internet roo kam koni. Who knows whether sanctions can change anything [smile]


Farzad 
Aug 11, 2023

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2-0 Miami.


Farzad 
Aug 11, 2023

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Shahin. $550B-$600B Is just based on barrels of oil. We also have natural gas for sale. The 800B may include gas too. Anyways the income was unprecedentedly high.


Farzad 
Aug 11, 2023

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Farzad 
Aug 11, 2023

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"Zinsky wants to bring that down to $50B a year for $400B"😀😀
 
Based on what? Hamintori? Ok we take that as credible.
 
Keep in mind that I think around 2009-2013 oil reached around $100 a barrel.
 
The oil income before the revolution from 1901 until 1978 was like 130B. Oil was cheap. And that is why the claim that when it got to AN's era which was 100 years later, the income he made in that era was more than the 100 yrs combined.


Farzad 
Aug 11, 2023

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Most of the oil embargo sanctions occurred in Obama era around 2011/2012.


Shahin 
Aug 11, 2023

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Farzad:

The data showed between $550B-$600B of Oil export during AN. I thought it was close enough to what you quoted the Iranian official showing AN wasting that income. But Zinsky wants to bring that down to $50B a year for $400B . Cool.


Farzad 
Aug 11, 2023

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The reason we did not see severe sanctions on AN was because Iraq was shut down and Iran needed to supply. This happened when Russia invaded Ukraine. That is when Biden looked the other way and let Iran sell the oil in black market even at 40% discount.
Anyways yeah AN's oil income was the highest ever.


Farzad 
Aug 11, 2023

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Rouhani era the income was $365B


Farzad 
Aug 11, 2023

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Shahin what did your calculations and projection show?


Zinsky  
Aug 11, 2023

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This is what I heard from friends and family about AN during his time in office. He started a program to lend individuals (mainly regime supporters) money to start a business and hire people. In theory it sounded good but the problem started when 95% of these startups were fake. They used the money to buy land and supposedly build factories or other businesses. Very quickly afterwards, they sold the land for profit, took the money and left Iran. That was the start of the massive migration to Canada and Australia. All these people who basically stole from the country ended up very rich and bought 1/3 of Toronto.


Zinsky  
Aug 11, 2023

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$50 billion/year maybe!!!
My point is simple. When talking about a regime like IRI, it’s important to be accurate. When you say 800 and it ended up being almost half, you lose credibility. You give them and supporters an excuse to say, you are full of it.
Not to compare but that is the way Trump operates. He discredits his opponents by finding small mistakes and use that to his defense. He doesn’t talk about his mistakes, only what they might have missed about his crimes. That is what lawyers do very well. Create doubt and discredit the other side.


Zinsky  
Aug 11, 2023

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2nd term of Bush II and 1st term of Obama!


Zinsky  
Aug 11, 2023

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Another thing I didn’t know. There was no sanctions on IRI during AN? Do you know why? We’re there acting normal as a regime during AN?


Shahin 
Aug 11, 2023

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Your math is correct. I got about the same thing. From this calculations I actually thought Farzad was close enough for the purpose of his argument. The way you objected I thought it was 50 billion
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