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Farzad 
July 30, 2023

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Norways finally shows up
https://youtu.be/FgudjnOXbmY


Farzad 
July 30, 2023

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Upset of the day
https://youtu.be/bkYr2-Bdlh8


Farzad 
July 29, 2023

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You are right, many don’t know about them and the consequence of what they do. 

Also America is not just SF. And the 80 million trump base are also not  just a “basket of deplorables“ 


Shahin 
July 29, 2023

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Most people do not even know what a neocon is and I told you I think it is not as black and white what establishes what neocon is. Almost everybody agrees no more Iraq. Also many people say more Trump.


Farzad 
July 29, 2023

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Meaning they will accept and tolerate neocons, Or they think world is a safer place in the hands of neocons than Trump? Like how it is now? 


Shahin 
July 29, 2023

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As I said the Iraq war was a monumental fuck up that everybody wants to move on from. I don’t know one person that says W was a great president.


Farzad 
July 29, 2023

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I know what you mean.  Everything is done internationally for the benefit of America. And as you mentioned even the 3.8 billion aid to Israel.  yes Israel benefits from that but our benefit could be folds higher.  

But I don’t think GWB and the gang achieved that. That war benefited special interests but not US as a nation.  It cost the tax payers trillions of dollars. 


Shahin 
July 29, 2023

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Farzad:
The issue is that the woke democrats (SF democrats) are also anti neocon liberals. That is why I think what you are advocating will lead to Trump.


Farzad 
July 29, 2023

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No, complaining about woke and too much liberalism in today’s Democratic Party does not mean let’s go to the other side and let’s become anti abortion and anti immigration.  All they are asking is let’s not get too carried away and let’s not get ridiculous. You do need varying views in your party for progressing.  That exists both in Democratic and Republican Party. that’s a norm. 

The Hawkish democrats of then were itching for interventions and war at the time the party became against it. 


Farzad 
July 29, 2023

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Maybe this will help folks here to be more forgiving towards RFK Jr. Thus is what he said about trump before 2016 election.  

I think Donald Trump is Dangerous, and he’s deceptive, and he’s a demagogue. I don’t think it should surprise anybody to see how well he’s doing, because that kind of demagoguery is formulaic, and it’s easy. There are buttons that you can push, of bigotry and xenophobia and prejudice and anger and self-interest and nationalism—false patriotism. Look at what happened in 1972: a large percentage of the people who supported my father in 1968, a very idealistic campaign, switched to support not George McGovern but George Wallace in 1972, and what that illustrates [is] that every person, like every nation, has a lighter side and a darker side. The easy thing is to appeal to bigotry and anger and fear; and it’s much more difficult to appeal to our lighter angels, to get us to transcend our narrow self-interest and see ourselves as part of the community and inspire people to make sacrifices and take risks in their own lives, to contribute to the welfare of our nation, and to look beyond the horizon and try to compel our country to live up to her ideals, her great ideals. It’s much easier to see America as a place where you come to make a big pile for yourself and whoever buys the most stuff wins. That we have to fight off people who don’t look like us, or who don’t love like us, or whatever—who are different. And I think those are the dark angles that Donald Trump appeals to, and I very much hope that his campaign of hatred dies on the vine. It’s not surprising, because those are the passions that the Republican Party has been stirring—those kind of hatreds in the service, of course, of other interests. And Trump is actually coming out and saying the stuff that they’ve been saying cryptically for all those years with dog-whistle slogans.


Zinsky  
July 29, 2023

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Never mind! We could go round and round for days trying to figure out who said what.
My point is simple and no one needs to agree with me.
Neoconservatives were bunch of democrats like the ones who are around these days complaining about woke and too much liberalism in today’s Democratic Party. They pushed too much and realized they are not going change democratic principles so they moved towards republicans. Now they are just war loving groups who don’t need either D or R.


Shahin 
July 29, 2023

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Domestic policies are what wins elections. The changes you mentioned when democrats got blacks to change votes was all about domestic policies. The foreign policy should ultimately support what you trying to achieve domestically. It’s always about that


Farzad 
July 29, 2023

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Shahin but in terms of your focus being on domestic stuff I totally understand.
If we could have two presidents. One for domestic policy and one for foreign policy you would have been totally ok with an Obama / GWB combo. As long as Obama was president of domestic policy.
With Biden you are getting both in one package 😀


Farzad 
July 29, 2023

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Yes the so called "Hawkish Democrats" who were pissed at the party in the 60s, transitioned to Republican Party and nested and continued their activities there (essentially became Part of Republican Party) and influenced / lobbied Republican admins. But it peaked full blown as part of GWB admin. So no. No Democratic value matches those of the neocons. True Democratic values promotes peace and diplomacy not war or militarism. Neoconservatism is contrary to Democratic beliefs.


Zinsky  
July 29, 2023

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Maybe I’m reading this wrong!
Farzad        
9 hours ago
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Ok let’s get the facts straight. Let’s not just throw something in the air hoping it sticks somewhere.
Neoconservatives are Republicans as oppose to Conservative Republicans. Neoconservatism is a branch within the Republican party. On the other side calling a Democrat a neoconservative is an insult. They don’t want to be called that. It is like Islamic Marxists. Such thing does not exist. There are Democrats with Neocon views and ambitions like Biden, H Clinton, Jake Sullivan or Blinken. At best they want to be known as Hawkish Democrats.”
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